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   Evan Karp
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   [Admin Note: This is an archived thread from the old Virtual Computer Forums.]

   Have you had any early experience running Hyper-V as a server hypervisor? I have been closely following the various Hyper-V versus VMware ESX comparisons out there. There are clearly some remaining feature gaps between Hyper-V and ESX, but I am curious how many PAC members have tried Hyper-V. Have you tried it? If so, how broadly (lab, production, etc.)? How was the setup process? What do you think of it so far?

   If you haven't tried Hyper-V yet, when (if ever) do you think you will?

   We have some potentially interesting things we can do with the NxTop Center management server using Hyper-V, but I don't want to have our engineering team spend too much time on it yet if we are way ahead of the Hyper-V adoption curve. (In case you are wondering why I am asking....) Thanks as always!

   [Admin Note: Originally posted by Doug]

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   Evan Karp
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   Hi Doug,

   We here at Sheridan are running approx 60-80 VMWare ESX servers (20 flux due to testing, etc..). We also use ThinApp (acquired while still Thinstall) on our client devices. We're very virtually aware and our focus now is going to be on client virtualization. So, that's the long way of saying we are not a Hyper-V server environment and I don't foresee and immediate plans to move away from ESX.

   Hope that helps

   [Admin Note: Originally posted by gerrity]

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   Evan Karp
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   I've been running HyperV in production since before the final RC was released. Yes not the most responsible thing to do, but it was for testing purposes as well as one production machine. I find it very easy to use, now with the system center VMM, the management is much improved. In the past I've tried VMware (running Novell servers nine years ago) and it works well, but something about HV really appealed to me. The enterprise licensing scheme is nice. Setup is a breeze. I've also run HV in core mode and that works well, but I tend to prefer the GUI. There's not much more overhead, I guess it is more patching though. Anyway, if anyone has questions, I'd be happy to try to answer them.

   [Admin Note: Originally posted by sens]

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   Evan Karp
   Virtual Computer

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   Much to the chagrin of our MS rep we are not even entertaining thoughts of Hyper-V here. We recently entered into an ELA with VMWare and that essentially kicks MS out the door for virtualization.

   Having been involved with ESX for awhile and following MS somewhat as we do run MS software here I can honestly say that I don't see Microsoft catching VMware. There is a lot of hype over what Hyper-V will do in the future against what VMware does now but the realization has to be that by the time MS gets around to implementing it VMware (or someone else) will have long gone past that point.

   The virtualization software front is evolving far too rapidly for Microsoft and they've shown repeatedly in the past that they are unable to keep up with that speed. Microsoft has long since moved on from the innovative company they once were to a sustaining company. They have their niche (business infrastructure applications) but when you get to the datacenter they simply fail to keep up. I can't help but be UNIMPRESSED with their latest round of "Live Services" as compared to what Google is offering. Windows Mobile has long had a chance to be a dominant platform but as is typical of Microsoft they simply develop software and expect hardware manufacturers to make the best of it. Now they are struggling against Blackberry and Apple (both hardware companies with competent and desired software backing it).

   Very few companies in the world can evolve to the size Microsoft has and continue to be on the leading edge of technology. Will Microsoft be able to catch VMware? I think their focus will not be in desktop virtualization but in pushing cloud services and terminal services.. err Remote Desktop Services. Will it work? Perhaps in a lot of situations it will, but will it work better than competing technologies? I doubt it. For years people relied on Citrix to provide the final functionality to Terminal Services, Microsoft always leaves room for its partners to complete its technology.

   I didn't want to rant on Microsoft, I believe they are great at what they do and that in many cases they get a bad rap because they are large and an easy target. However I have not seen an INNOVATIVE product from Microsoft in many many years and I don't expect miracles in the near future.

   [Admin Note: Originally posted by randyf25]

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   Evan Karp
   Virtual Computer

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   Hi Everyone,

   I am a newbie and this is my first post. I can honestly say I haven't been this excited about being part of a forum since the close of last century (late 90’s) when I used to be a forum hound.

   I have used VMware server and looked and poke at ESX with colleagues. I just implement a Hyper-v the last couple of weeks and I can't believe how smooth the implementation is. The GUI, though more patching, in my opinion gives me a lot more control over the VM, it’s health and status.

   As for Hyper-v catching it's competitors. The article below has some insight. Hyper-V might not have as many "features" in this first generation release but it has what is needed for the market which MS is targeting. I think MS will do what is always has, gear their products to the SME/SMB market and work it's way into corporate with later releases/features.

   http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsid=106032

   I would encourage you to examine the curve better and see what the adoption rates are and perhaps look into supporting Hyper-v, even Citrix is talking with MS to have Xenserver and Hyper-v get along. Also I know of a company which until now has only supported Xenserver, which will announce a product release for Hyper-v. I am expecting that announcement tomorrow .

   Cheers

   [Admin Note: Originally posted by nerdakaid]

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   Evan Karp
   Virtual Computer

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   Hi
   I talked yesterday with Jon and after having a good nigh sleep I realize that you have very exciting product. I have been working with Citrix (-93), VMWare (2001), Softgrid (2004), Thinstall (2006) and I have been looking new ideas like those for long time.

   We have been testing Hyper-V, but not in the production environment for any customer. There is lot of interest but most are still waiting the next release. And I also think that even MS is waiting to finalize Hyper-V (“vmotion” etc.) before they really start pushing product to customers.

   I think that Hyper-V will gain lot of customers because it is easier to manage for Windows administrators. You don’t have to be trained a new environment like the ESX , same guys that manager AD, Fileserver etc. can use their knowledge. And of course almost everyone have Windows 2008 servers running this year and all those servers have Hyper-V inside. Even in “all” VMWare shops there are standalone servers (f.ex AD/DC) that can run Hyper-V.

   Btw. What have users gain this server virtualization boom?

   Regards

   [Admin Note: Originally posted by Rantpe]

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   Evan Karp
   Virtual Computer

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   Since I heard about this technology I have had trouble sleeping too .

   This is a follow-up to my earlier comment on Hyper-V. Marathon Technologies has now announced that their FT and HA products support Hyper-V.

   http://www.marathontechnologies.com/microsoft_expand_relationship_provide_fault_tolerant.html?newsid_press_release=871

   Cheers

   [Admin Note: Originally posted by nerdakaid]

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